Why Is Andrew so mean towards Bree????

[d***@snet.net]

After watching yet another episode last night, I must ask others if you
have any idea why Andrew is so horrid to his mother Bree. I actually
feel very badly for Bree. She may be rigid, but she does not deserve to
be treated the way Andrew treats her.

I know teenagers rebel against their parents, but this is way over the
line. I am saddended to see they are turning Andrew into a just plain
evil person which is sad. If they are going to have a gay/bi-sexual
teenager on the show (he changes each week lately) it should be a
POSITIVE role model for gay teens.. not an evil nasty boy who makes his
mother cry for no reason.

[Thunderburke]

Maybe because she said he wasn't going to heaven? What kind of crap is that?
If my mother ever said that to me I would be bitter too. I thought he came
off as a positive roll model. He is comfortable with himself and happy with
the way he is. He didn't give in to pressure of the church which I thought
was great.

Post by d***@snet.net
After watching yet another episode last night, I must ask others if you
have any idea why Andrew is so horrid to his mother Bree. I actually
feel very badly for Bree. She may be rigid, but she does not deserve to
be treated the way Andrew treats her.
I know teenagers rebel against their parents, but this is way over the
line. I am saddended to see they are turning Andrew into a just plain
evil person which is sad. If they are going to have a gay/bi-sexual
teenager on the show (he changes each week lately) it should be a
POSITIVE role model for gay teens.. not an evil nasty boy who makes his
mother cry for no reason.

[d***@hotmail.com]

He was mean to her before that remark. His plan for evil to Mom took
place in the boot camp, but he was rotten before that.

Often kids have problems and can't blame themselves for the problem, so
they find someone to blame and torment them.

[smeggirl]

Bree said to him, "I'd love you even if you were a murderer."

For all they know..he is a murderer. He put Carlos' mother in a coma and
she ultimately died.

I can't get past him spitting in Bree's face! Now that's a demon seed
right there.

I just wonder what he'll do to rock her world. Maybe expose her S&M
secret to the entire neighborhood.

Maybe he gets that from Bree. She sure loves to expose Rex's sexual
habits as a weapon against him.

Post by d***@hotmail.com
He was mean to her before that remark. His plan for evil to Mom took
place in the boot camp, but he was rotten before that.
Often kids have problems and can't blame themselves for the problem, so
they find someone to blame and torment them.

[Dean Boudreau]

Yeah he definitely got the vindictive gene from his mother.. lol

Dean

Post by smeggirl
Bree said to him, "I'd love you even if you were a murderer."
For all they know..he is a murderer. He put Carlos' mother in a coma and
she ultimately died.
I can't get past him spitting in Bree's face! Now that's a demon seed
right there.
I just wonder what he'll do to rock her world. Maybe expose her S&M secret
to the entire neighborhood.
Maybe he gets that from Bree. She sure loves to expose Rex's sexual habits
as a weapon against him.

Post by d***@hotmail.com
He was mean to her before that remark. His plan for evil to Mom took
place in the boot camp, but he was rotten before that.
Often kids have problems and can't blame themselves for the problem, so
they find someone to blame and torment them.

--
Nicole
yahooIM: girlsmeg

[Van Bagnol]

Post by Thunderburke
Maybe because she said he wasn't going to heaven? What kind of crap is that?
If my mother ever said that to me I would be bitter too. I thought he came
off as a positive roll model. He is comfortable with himself and happy with
the way he is. He didn't give in to pressure of the church which I thought
was great.

I wouldn't go as far to say he's a positive role model, but I agree that
he seems comfortable with himself and who he is.

In the moments before in that scene, Andrew seemed uncomfortable, torn
between loving his mother and resenting her. She had just revealed to
him a part of her that loved him unconditionally without any of the
neurotic Bree traits, then she spoiled it with the "not going to heaven"
speech which brought back the old neurotic Bree and snapped Andrew out
of whatever affection that was kindling.

Van

[Mary1973]

Post by Thunderburke
Maybe because she said he wasn't going to heaven? What kind of crap is that?
If my mother ever said that to me I would be bitter too. I thought he came
off as a positive roll (role) model. He is comfortable with himself and

happy with

Post by Thunderburke
the way he is. He didn't give in to pressure of the church which I thought
was great.

While I thought the way Bree said it was stupid, it is true that a
practicing homosexual is most likely not going to heaven. That is what we
who follow the Bible and Jesus Christ believe. God gives us a free will to
believe in Him or not; to accept the gift of eternal life or not. We all
have our temptations and have to work every day to stay on the right path.
I, as a single woman, will not go to heaven if I practice heterosexual sex
outside of marriage.

I do not pretend to understand why some people are attracted to others of
the same sex and do not condemn them or judge them. That is up to God.

As for the character of Andrew, he is a little creep. Bree's fatal flaw of
caring so much about what others think clouded her judgement when she
protected him after he hit Carlos's mother. He needs to have to face up to
what he did and accept his punishment. He is so manipulative and sneaky.
Look how he took advantage of the minister. After the minister swears not to
reveal their conversation, Andrew tells him of his despicable plan. Some
role model. Ted Bundy would be proud.

[Donna B]

In alt.tv.desperate-housewives on Tue, 19 Apr 2005 02:59:06 GMT in Msg.#

Post by Mary1973
While I thought the way Bree said it was stupid, it is true that a
practicing homosexual is most likely not going to heaven. That is what we
who follow the Bible and Jesus Christ believe. ...

Some Christians believe that. Many do not. Fortunately.

--
Donna B-looking forward to Sweeps April 28 - May 25, 2005

"Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything." - Frank
Dane

[CuoioBar]

In news:_t_8e.16227$***@twister.nyc.rr.com, Mary1973
<***@nj.rr.com> typed:

|| While I thought the way Bree said it was stupid, it is true that a
|| practicing homosexual is most likely not going to heaven. That is
|| what we who follow the Bible and Jesus Christ believe. God gives us
|| a free will to believe in Him or not; to accept the gift of eternal
|| life or not. We all have our temptations and have to work every day
|| to stay on the right path. I, as a single woman, will not go to
|| heaven if I practice heterosexual sex outside of marriage.

Please, keep your personal beliefs out of this group, it's to be used to
discuss the show. Besides, how can you like the show if you have beliefs
like that...

[Mary1973]

Post by CuoioBar
Please, keep your personal beliefs out of this group, it's to be used to
discuss the show. Besides, how can you like the show if you have beliefs
like that...

I hope your comment is directed to EVERYONE who expressed their personal
belief in this thread.

[Maureen Goldman]

Post by Mary1973
As for the character of Andrew, he is a little creep. Bree's fatal flaw of
caring so much about what others think clouded her judgement when she
protected him after he hit Carlos's mother. He needs to have to face up to
what he did and accept his punishment. He is so manipulative and sneaky.
Look how he took advantage of the minister. After the minister swears not to
reveal their conversation, Andrew tells him of his despicable plan. Some
role model. Ted Bundy would be proud.

To me it appeared that Bree was protecting her son from the
consequences of the hit and run because she loves him, not because she
was worried about outside opinions. Was there anything along the lines
of "what will people say" that I missed?,

[NED]

Post by Mary1973
While I thought the way Bree said it was stupid, it is true that a
practicing homosexual is most likely not going to heaven. That is what we
who follow the Bible and Jesus Christ believe.

Too bad you're so close minded about that. Personally, I don't live my
life by a book, but hey, whatever blows your skirt up.

Post by Mary1973
As for the character of Andrew, he is a little creep.
what he did and accept his punishment. He is so manipulative and sneaky.
Look how he took advantage of the minister. After the minister swears not to
reveal their conversation, Andrew tells him of his despicable plan.

Phht...like he's gonna tell this minister his plan *before* having the
minister swear to it. I thought it was quite crafty myself, in true
soap fashion, and admit I smiled at the end of it, as brutal as
Andrew's little speech was. Honestly, I don't think anything is going
to happen to "rock her world" as Andrew mentioned, at least not this
season, if at all. Time will tell.

[n***@junk.min.net]

Post by Mary1973
what we

Post by Mary1973
who follow the Bible and Jesus Christ believe.

Too bad you're so close minded about that. Personally, I don't live my
life by a book, but hey, whatever blows your skirt up.

Besides, Jesus never said anything about homosexuals.


Alan

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by Thunderburke

Post by Thunderburke
Maybe because she said he wasn't going to heaven? What kind of crap

is

Post by Thunderburke
that?

Post by Thunderburke
If my mother ever said that to me I would be bitter too. I thought he came
off as a positive roll (role) model. He is comfortable with himself and

happy with

Post by Thunderburke
the way he is. He didn't give in to pressure of the church which I thought
was great.

While I thought the way Bree said it was stupid, it is true that a
practicing homosexual is most likely not going to heaven. That is what we
who follow the Bible and Jesus Christ believe.

Jesus didn't mention homosexuality.

Most of the condemnation of homosexuality are from the Old Testament
which also comes down hard on people who eat shellfish and women who
wear dresses.

What is the priority level of the "No Red Dresses" Constituional
Amendment on the Right Wing Agenda again? When was the last time a
woman was stoned to death for it?

[Walker M.]

Post by Mary1973

Post by Mary1973
While I thought the way Bree said it was stupid, it is true that a
practicing homosexual is most likely not going to heaven. That is

what we

Post by Mary1973
who follow the Bible and Jesus Christ believe.

Jesus didn't mention homosexuality.

Did Jesus ever get married by the way? I don't think I ever reached that
chapter. ;-)

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by Walker M.

Post by Mary1973

Post by Mary1973
While I thought the way Bree said it was stupid, it is true that a
practicing homosexual is most likely not going to heaven. That is

what we

Post by Mary1973
who follow the Bible and Jesus Christ believe.

Jesus didn't mention homosexuality.

Did Jesus ever get married by the way? I don't think I ever reached that
chapter. ;-)

The book had lost me by then too. I'm waiting for Mel Gibson to film
that part.

[Maureen Goldman]

Post by Walker M.
Did Jesus ever get married by the way? I don't think I ever reached

that chapter. ;-)
The book had lost me by then too. I'm waiting for Mel Gibson to film
that part.

You're expecting a prequel to "Passion of the Christ?"

[TheNewsGuy(Mike)]

Walker M. wrote:
...

Post by Walker M.
Did Jesus ever get married by the way? I don't think I ever reached that
chapter. ;-)

You jest, but yes, he probably did marry. It is only in revised
writings that he HAD to be celibate so there is no modern mention of his
relationship(s).

[Walker M.]

Post by Mary1973
I, as a single woman, will not go to heaven if I practice heterosexual sex
outside of marriage.

Er, you didn't watch the episode in which Gabrielle Solis worked out a
solution to that problem then?

[Mike O'Brien]

Post by Mary1973
I, as a single woman, will not go to heaven if I practice heterosexual sex
outside of marriage.

ever heard of forgiveness? if we couldn't go to heaven because of sin
nobody could get in. oh yeah,remember that "judge not less you be judged"
part?

Regards.

Mike O'Brien

life is full of choices; choices have consequences

[James Craine]

Post by Thunderburke
Maybe because she said he wasn't going to heaven? What kind of crap is that?
If my mother ever said that to me I would be bitter too. I thought he came
off as a positive roll model. He is comfortable with himself and happy with
the way he is. He didn't give in to pressure of the church which I thought
was great.

He drove drunk, killed a woman, and is totally un-repentant
about it. Andrew is a bad seed. He is evil.

And a previous poster was right, it is a surprise that they
would have a this character be a homosexual. Surprisingly
non-PC of them.

[Maureen Goldman]

Post by James Craine
He drove drunk, killed a woman, and is totally un-repentant
about it. Andrew is a bad seed. He is evil.

Mama Solis wouldn't have been in the hospital except for the hit and
run. However, it was the fall downstairs five months later that killed
her.

(No disagreement that he's a really, really bad seed.)

[joehandy]

after all she's done for him? for instance, taking the car that he had hit
mrs. solis with (AFTER he had been drinking...) and dropping it off in the
ghetto so that it can be stolen and nobody will find out he had anything to
do with it...i think people that say that andrew is a "role model for young
gay people everywhere" are out of their minds! i myself, being a "young gay
person" find myself repulsed by his actions on the show from the
start...he's a cocky little jerk who needs his ass kicked!

Post by Thunderburke
Maybe because she said he wasn't going to heaven? What kind of crap is that?
If my mother ever said that to me I would be bitter too. I thought he came
off as a positive roll model. He is comfortable with himself and happy with
the way he is. He didn't give in to pressure of the church which I thought
was great.

Post by d***@snet.net
After watching yet another episode last night, I must ask others if you
have any idea why Andrew is so horrid to his mother Bree. I actually
feel very badly for Bree. She may be rigid, but she does not deserve to
be treated the way Andrew treats her.
I know teenagers rebel against their parents, but this is way over the
line. I am saddended to see they are turning Andrew into a just plain
evil person which is sad. If they are going to have a gay/bi-sexual
teenager on the show (he changes each week lately) it should be a
POSITIVE role model for gay teens.. not an evil nasty boy who makes his
mother cry for no reason.

[Van Bagnol]

Post by joehandy
after all she's done for him? for instance, taking the car that he had hit
mrs. solis with (AFTER he had been drinking...) and dropping it off in the
ghetto so that it can be stolen and nobody will find out he had anything to
do with it...

He was already pissed that she was taking the keys away from him
(because it was a gift from his father) and otherwise keeping him from
having a life, so I suppose that canceled out whatever gratitude he was
expected to pay for getting him off the hook. He probably blamed her for
driving him to drink and was probably still annoyed that he had no new
car to drive any more.

Post by joehandy
i think people that say that andrew is a "role model for young
gay people everywhere" are out of their minds! i myself, being a "young gay
person" find myself repulsed by his actions on the show from the
start...he's a cocky little jerk who needs his ass kicked!

I don't think him a role model, but things aren't always black & white.
(The great Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, and the racist Woodrow Wilson
helped found the League of Nations.) That Andrew's comfortable with his
(bi-)sexuality is laudable, even though the rest of his actions aren't.

Van

[Mike]

Post by d***@snet.net
why Andrew is so horrid to his mother Bree

If she was my mom I would just want to sleep with her. hehe

I know, I know...that's wrong.

[NED]

I think Andrew is just *reacting* to his mom's reaction, instead of
thinking it all over, which, for someone in his position right now,
would be perfectly normal. With all the emotions stewing inside of him
right now "coming out" (whether he is gay or bi at this point), it's no
surprise how he's reacted.

Personally, I have to give Andrew credit for actually *staying* at the
dinner table when the priest showed up (I would've simply just left)
and to be able to tell the priest he knew exactly who he was.

Bree's reaction did, and didn't shock me...it's no surprise that she
reacted the way she did. What is surprising, and sad, is that her
reaction is unfortunately not too far off in some parts of the world
today and still happens.

I mean, really..."you're not going to heaven"????

[b***@yahoo.com]

Post by d***@snet.net
After watching yet another episode last night, I must ask others if you
have any idea why Andrew is so horrid to his mother Bree. I actually
feel very badly for Bree. She may be rigid, but she does not deserve to
be treated the way Andrew treats her.

You know, we were watching last night and my friend said the same
thing. All I could say was my brother was equally terrible to my mom,
and I've never been able to comprehend why he hates her so. This is a
woman so sweet everyone speaks well of her and all my friends love her
to death. Like Bree, not without her faults, but always acting our best
interests as a parent.

Sometimes people just fixate on other people as the source of their
unhappiness? People beat their kids, do they deserve it?

Post by d***@snet.net
I know teenagers rebel against their parents, but this is way over the
line. I am saddended to see they are turning Andrew into a just plain
evil person which is sad. If they are going to have a gay/bi-sexual
teenager on the show (he changes each week lately) it should be a
POSITIVE role model for gay teens.. not an evil nasty boy who makes his
mother cry for no reason.

As for the Gay Positive Role model: when Melrose was on, Matt was
nearly saintly compared to the shenanigans that everyone else got into.
It becomes a sort of obnoxious condescension when the minorities have
to be so well-behaved so as to not offend.

People on TV aren't role models, they're entertainment. TV isn't a
place to look for life lessons, it's for enterainment.

[Ryan]

"Maybe because she said he wasn't going to heaven? What kind of crap is
that? "

True, but as said above, Andrew hated Bree (and spat in her face!) long
before that remark. I am at a loss to understand what Bree did to
Andrew that was so bad since his anger started long ago. She is
misguided, but I see nothing she has done to deserve such hate from her
own child.

Bree apparently was raised like many people, that being gay (or
bi-sexual which I think is what he said yesterday) is something chosen
like what color shirt to wear and it can be changed. Is Bree sexually
attracted to other woman? NO. Is that something she chose? NO. These
same people can't seem to relate to it in those terms. They didn't
choose to be straight, however all gays choose to be gay and can change
back. Odd.

I do give Andrew credit for strength. He sat at the table with the
Pastor and he more than once made it very clear he is happy with
himsefl as he is and doesn't need help. That takes alot of backbone
from any teenager when it comes to their sexuality.

[Candide]

Post by Ryan
"Maybe because she said he wasn't going to heaven? What kind of crap is
that? "

Apparently something a majority of Americans believe, as it brought out
enough voters to put GWB back in the White House. I'm not saying it is a
correct view, and or endorsing Bree's statement, but one must understand
there is a vast cultural difference between certain urban area's and say
the Mid-West.

Even in this day and age, with civil unions and "gay marriage", willing
to be there are many mothers would have a similar reaction to Andrew's
announcement. Eventually they may come to terms with the situation, but
it is not exactly what they had in mind.

Post by Ryan
True, but as said above, Andrew hated Bree (and spat in her face!) long
before that remark. I am at a loss to understand what Bree did to
Andrew that was so bad since his anger started long ago. She is
misguided, but I see nothing she has done to deserve such hate from her
own child.

Am here to tell you, if my child spat in my face, you'd see me on Court
TV on charges running from the lowest (Child Endangerment) to highest
(Felony Murder). Would all depend on how soon they got me off him.

Bree's "problem" with Andrew is he does not respect her nor his daddy,
nor any figure of authority for that matter. He is a self absorbed, self
righteous, evil little prate, who deserves and would greatly benefit
from a few long trips to the wood shed.

Post by Ryan
Bree apparently was raised like many people, that being gay (or
bi-sexual which I think is what he said yesterday) is something chosen
like what color shirt to wear and it can be changed. Is Bree sexually
attracted to other woman? NO. Is that something she chose? NO. These
same people can't seem to relate to it in those terms. They didn't
choose to be straight, however all gays choose to be gay and can change
back. Odd.
I do give Andrew credit for strength. He sat at the table with the
Pastor and he more than once made it very clear he is happy with
himsefl as he is and doesn't need help. That takes alot of backbone
from any teenager when it comes to their sexuality.

Not sure how much Andrew is really "gay" or just questioning, and having
a good time finding something else to get at his mother with. The boy is
simply no good.

Candide

[Donna B]

In alt.tv.desperate-housewives on Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:02:31 GMT in Msg.#

Post by Candide

Post by Ryan
"Maybe because she said he wasn't going to heaven? What kind of crap
is that? "

It's something that a minority of extreme fundamentalists in the US
believes.

Post by Candide
Apparently something a majority of Americans believe, as it brought out
enough voters to put GWB back in the White House. ...

Really? Whether gays were going to heaven or not wasn't on the ballot
anywhere that I know of.

Post by Candide
I'm not saying it is a
correct view, and or endorsing Bree's statement, but one must understand
there is a vast cultural difference between certain urban area's and say
the Mid-West.

Between urban & rural everywhere, generally speaking - on this & on many
other issues.

--
Donna B-looking forward to Sweeps April 28 - May 25, 2005

"You will never find time for anything. If you want time you must make it."
- Charles Buxton

[Donna B]

In rec.arts.tv on Tue, 19 Apr 2005 00:26:40 -0400 in Msg.#

Whether gays were going to heaven or not wasn't on the ballot anywhere
that I know of.
-----------------------------------
Perhaps not DIRECTLY.

Not at ALL. The issue of whether gays can be married is a far shot from
whether they go to heaven or hell. Totally different issue. Of course, it's
also an issue that would be totally inappropriate to vote on. The lack of
critical thinking skills in this country has reached a frightening point!
It's very easy to know people who aren't for gay marriage who do not
interpret their religion to judge whether others are going to heaven or not.
That's a minority that does that. AND, plenty of people were against the
right wing agenda but still voted for Bush for their own different reasons.

Yes, the right wing agenda got some people out to vote who might not have
otherwise. Does that alter what was voted on? No. Does that alter what
people think? No. How about the younger, more moderate silent majority that
has opinions but tends not to vote because they're disgusted with the whole
process?

GMAB.

--
Donna B-looking forward to Sweeps April 28 - May 25, 2005

"Great wits jump." - Laurence Sterne, Tristram Shandy (orig. ed.). Vol. iii.
Chap. ix.

[Stan Brown]

Post by Donna B
Not at ALL. The issue of whether gays can be married is a far shot from
whether they go to heaven or hell. Totally different issue. Of course, it's
also an issue that would be totally inappropriate to vote on.

As is the issue of whether gay people should have the same right to
marry as straight people.

What's next? Voting on what's left of the First Amendment?

[Donna B]

In alt.tv.desperate-housewives on Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:05:30 -0400 in Msg.#

Post by Stan Brown

Post by Donna B
Not at ALL. The issue of whether gays can be married is a far shot from
whether they go to heaven or hell. Totally different issue. Of course, it's
also an issue that would be totally inappropriate to vote on.

As is the issue of whether gay people should have the same right to
marry as straight people.
What's next? Voting on what's left of the First Amendment?

Well, you're right, of course. Ah, yes, when we're discussing degrees of
*badness* of voting on inappropriate .... ARGH.

--
Donna B-looking forward to Sweeps April 28 - May 25, 2005

"He was one of the nicest old ladies I ever met." - William Faulkner

[James Craine]

Post by Donna B
Not at ALL. The issue of whether gays can be married is a far shot from
whether they go to heaven or hell. Totally different issue. Of course, it's
also an issue that would be totally inappropriate to vote on. The lack of
critical thinking skills in this country has reached a frightening point!
It's very easy to know people who aren't for gay marriage who do not
interpret their religion to judge whether others are going to heaven or not.
That's a minority that does that. AND, plenty of people were against the
right wing agenda but still voted for Bush for their own different reasons.
Yes, the right wing agenda got some people out to vote who might not have
otherwise. Does that alter what was voted on? No. Does that alter what
people think? No. How about the younger, more moderate silent majority that
has opinions but tends not to vote because they're disgusted with the whole
process?
GMAB.

Not THE right wing agenda, it's agendaS. There are at least
two. The religious right is the one you have in mind. There
is also the economic (or libertarian) right. Smaller less
intrusive gov., lower taxes, more individual responsibility,
individuals have rights not groups, and legislators make
laws not lawyers; to name a few. We (economic right) are not
doing to well.

A third right wing agenda could be taking the militant
muslims as a serious threat. We DO NOT believe that we can
get them to play nice if we are nicer and sign the Kyoto
treaty. But there seem to be a lot of people who were
liberals on 9/10 and are now with us, at least on this
issue. (A conservative is a liberals who witnessed 3000
murders at once. (sometimes))

[Donna B]

In alt.tv.desperate-housewives on Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:47:32 GMT in Msg.#

Post by James Craine
Not THE right wing agenda, it's agendaS. There are at least
two. The religious right is the one you have in mind. There
is also the economic (or libertarian) right. Smaller less
intrusive gov., lower taxes, more individual responsibility,
individuals have rights not groups, and legislators make
laws not lawyers; to name a few. We (economic right) are not
doing to well.
A third right wing agenda could be taking the militant
muslims as a serious threat. We DO NOT believe that we can
get them to play nice if we are nicer and sign the Kyoto
treaty. But there seem to be a lot of people who were
liberals on 9/10 and are now with us, at least on this
issue. (A conservative is a liberals who witnessed 3000
murders at once. (sometimes))

Yeah, we don't see any of this remotely similarly. And, from here in
Brooklyn, I had direct personal impact that day & for almost 2 years after.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure if many of us will ever have our lungs
back the way they were or the way they could have been if the Bush
Administration had not intentionally had us lied to about the air quality
afterwards.

This issue, by the way, the issue we were talking about was gays & the civil
law, which has zero to do with what you're off about.

--
Donna B-looking forward to Sweeps April 28 - May 25, 2005

" ... the White House Chief of Staff doesn't get to issue personal
statements that read like letters to the editor of Soap Opera Digest - not
that I'm a subscriber or anything." - Annabeth, THE WEST WING, 01-05-2005

[Ubiquitous]

Post by Donna B
In alt.tv.desperate-housewives on Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:02:31 GMT in Msg.#

Post by Candide
Apparently something a majority of Americans believe, as it brought out
enough voters to put GWB back in the White House. ...

Really? Whether gays were going to heaven or not wasn't on the ballot
anywhere that I know of.

Sounds like someone is still upset about Bush getting re-elected.

[Donna B]

In alt.tv.desperate-housewives on Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:24:55 -0400 in Msg.#

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by Donna B
In alt.tv.desperate-housewives on Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:02:31 GMT in Msg.#

Post by Candide
Apparently something a majority of Americans believe, as it brought out
enough voters to put GWB back in the White House. ...

Really? Whether gays were going to heaven or not wasn't on the ballot
anywhere that I know of.

Sounds like someone is still upset about Bush getting re-elected.

Sounds to me like someone can tell what was on the ballot & what wasn't,
regardless of who won what. You do know that when you do this knee-jerk
reaction labeling everything the same thing you just discredit yourself,
right? Makes no sense. Usually I just ignore you because you do this thing
now, that you never used to do, but why did you stop being interested in
actually discussing? And, since you don't, why not just filter us all? Or
hit delete & move on? Redirecting posts to rec.test & making repetitive
nonsensical replies is just crazy.

[Maureen Goldman]

Post by Candide
Not sure how much Andrew is really "gay" or just questioning, and having
a good time finding something else to get at his mother with. The boy is
simply no good.

Andrew told the preacher that he said he was gay in order to get out
of that camp. He indicated that he was bisexual, although more
interested in girls than other males. I didn't think he could be
regarded as questioning, more just following his lust. He's horrid,
although not on that basis.

[Dean Boudreau]

Not really sure if what he said to the priest was necessarily for real. He
seemed to be trying to get the priest off his back. He also claimed he did
not believe in god - which would indicate that his sincere look of shock and
pain after his mother said he was going to hell was contrived? He looked
sincerely hurt.. someone who does not believe in god isn't likely to believe
in hell. I think he was trying to make it clear to the priest that he
wouldn't have him meddling in his life.

So whether he is gay or bi is questionable, and I suppose irrelevant :P

Dean

Post by Maureen Goldman

Post by Candide
Not sure how much Andrew is really "gay" or just questioning, and having
a good time finding something else to get at his mother with. The boy is
simply no good.

Andrew told the preacher that he said he was gay in order to get out
of that camp. He indicated that he was bisexual, although more
interested in girls than other males. I didn't think he could be
regarded as questioning, more just following his lust. He's horrid,
although not on that basis.

[Van Bagnol]

Post by b***@yahoo.com

Post by d***@snet.net
After watching yet another episode last night, I must ask others if
you have any idea why Andrew is so horrid to his mother Bree. I
actually feel very badly for Bree. She may be rigid, but she does
not deserve to be treated the way Andrew treats her.

You know, we were watching last night and my friend said the same
thing. All I could say was my brother was equally terrible to my mom,
and I've never been able to comprehend why he hates her so. This is a
woman so sweet everyone speaks well of her and all my friends love
her to death. Like Bree, not without her faults, but always acting
our best interests as a parent.

I agree. Resentment can stem from any number of things not easily
understood (or its severity appreciated) by others.

Post by b***@yahoo.com
As for the Gay Positive Role model: when Melrose was on, Matt was
nearly saintly compared to the shenanigans that everyone else got into.
It becomes a sort of obnoxious condescension when the minorities have
to be so well-behaved so as to not offend.

Hear, hear.

Besides, I see Andrew as an evil kid who happens to be bisexual, not a
bisexual kid who's evil.

Post by b***@yahoo.com
People on TV aren't role models, they're entertainment. TV isn't a
place to look for life lessons, it's for enterainment.

TV characters speak words that come from screenwriters, not wise sages.

Van

[Maureen Goldman]

Post by d***@snet.net
After watching yet another episode last night, I must ask others if you
have any idea why Andrew is so horrid to his mother Bree. I actually
feel very badly for Bree. She may be rigid, but she does not deserve to
be treated the way Andrew treats her.
I know teenagers rebel against their parents, but this is way over the
line. I am saddended to see they are turning Andrew into a just plain
evil person which is sad. If they are going to have a gay/bi-sexual
teenager on the show (he changes each week lately) it should be a
POSITIVE role model for gay teens.. not an evil nasty boy who makes his
mother cry for no reason.

She took away his new car after the hit and run? I'm as puzzled as you
as to why Andrew loathes Bree.

[Greg]

Post by d***@snet.net
After watching yet another episode last night, I must ask others if you
have any idea why Andrew is so horrid to his mother Bree. I actually
feel very badly for Bree. She may be rigid, but she does not deserve to
be treated the way Andrew treats her.
I know teenagers rebel against their parents, but this is way over the
line. I am saddended to see they are turning Andrew into a just plain
evil person which is sad. If they are going to have a gay/bi-sexual
teenager on the show (he changes each week lately) it should be a
POSITIVE role model for gay teens.. not an evil nasty boy who makes his
mother cry for no reason.

I think there will be more to the story that will have something to do
with the cord around his throat at birth that Bree was talking about.

Greg

[Maureen Goldman]

Post by Greg
I think there will be more to the story that will have something to do
with the cord around his throat at birth that Bree was talking about.

Andrew is morally challenged. That doesn't happen due to a cord being
wrapped around the baby's neck at birth. Other damage, yes.

[Dean Boudreau]

She told him he was goin to hell for something he has no control over. I
think that was more than justifable reason for his anger. This being said,
yes - he has been hostile to her before and I'm sure that it's an overall
feeling of being under constant, almost tyrannical control. Bree is more
than obsessive about keeping up appearances. She doesn't seem like the most
loving mother in a lot of ways. She's very cold and by the book. He's
dealt with these feelings all of his life and knew he couldn't ever talk to
his mother about it because she would be unreasonable about it. I think
that growing up in a family like that could make a child resentful.

Dean

Post by d***@snet.net
After watching yet another episode last night, I must ask others if you
have any idea why Andrew is so horrid to his mother Bree. I actually
feel very badly for Bree. She may be rigid, but she does not deserve to
be treated the way Andrew treats her.
I know teenagers rebel against their parents, but this is way over the
line. I am saddended to see they are turning Andrew into a just plain
evil person which is sad. If they are going to have a gay/bi-sexual
teenager on the show (he changes each week lately) it should be a
POSITIVE role model for gay teens.. not an evil nasty boy who makes his
mother cry for no reason.

[Donna B]

In rec.arts.tv on Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:14:07 -0400 in Msg.#

I hate to tell you this, but most people are people of values.
-----------------------------------
Which values are you talking about? Fairness? Compassion?

And, who in the world is he posting in reply to?

--
Donna B-looking forward to Sweeps April 28 - May 25, 2005

"If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we should find in each
man's life sorrow & suffering enough to disarm any hostility." - Henry
Wadsworth Longfellow

[Mike O'Brien]

Post by Donna B

I hate to tell you this, but most people are people of values.
-----------------------------------
Which values are you talking about? Fairness? Compassion?

And, who in the world is he posting in reply to?

et tu brutus?

Regards.

Mike O'Brien

life is full of choices; choices have consequences

[Walker M.]

Post by d***@snet.net
I know teenagers rebel against their parents, but this is way over the
line. I am saddended to see they are turning Andrew into a just plain
evil person which is sad. If they are going to have a gay/bi-sexual
teenager on the show (he changes each week lately) it should be a
POSITIVE role model for gay teens.. not an evil nasty boy who makes his
mother cry for no reason.

Why not? Andrew is the latest in a long line of teenage rebels and his
sexuality is just an aside. Yeah, Andrew's a jerk. So what? There's
millions of jerks out there from all walks of life and we should be
thankful when TV shows don't patronise us by pretending otherwise.

It's far more interesting that at least two members of Bree's immediate
family have developed secret, double-lives in order to gratify needs which
don't fit the idealistic charade she's forever trying to maintain. The
consequences of denial forced upon children by parents like Bree are far
more relevant to sociopathic tendencies than sexuality in my opinion, and
it seems to me that's exactly what Desperate Housewives is drawing
attention to with the Van De Kamp characters.